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- From: Jeff Grimmett <jgrimm@bitnova.com>
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
- Subject: Re: New Press Release!
- Date: 14 Mar 1996 18:48:48 GMT
- Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company
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- jcompton@flood.xnet.com (Jason Compton) wrote:
-
- >: any factual information to back up either side of the statement. I won't
- >: say they're common without something to prove it, but I don't think you
- >: have anything that really shows concrete proof that they're hard to get
- >: in quantity, either. Appologies if you do, I'd love to see it.
- >
- >I base my conclusion that Amiga Tech had to special-order the 020s used
- >in their Amiga 1200s. Perhaps there's a stockpile of useless external
- >MMUs somewhere for a discontinued processor, but I doubt it.
-
- .. and if my grandmother had wheels she'd be a wagon. It's guesswork,
- then, which is fine, just be sure to say so next time.
-
- >: If you, and others like you, insist on overloading the BASE model of the
- >: new Amiga with high-priced components, then you're sending a statement of
- >: your own: the message that you wish to exclude a large segment of the
- >: potential Amiga market.
-
- >Without marketing, this ultra-low-end does not exist. If AT is
- >unwilling to try to recreate this market, it will be a waste of time.
-
- How exactly is this relevant? If they recreate the market, but have
- nothing to sell to it, they're S.O.L.
-
- >: I think the EC030 is just FINE for the ---> BASE <--- machine. It has a
- >: frinkin' CPU slot, have you forgotten how we did things back in 1990,
- >: with the A2000? Drop in a different CPU card, and boom, a new model.
-
- >And have you forgotten how much those A2000 CPU cards COST?
-
- Read my lips: "You want high end, you pay high-end prices." So the cost
- of an accelerator board adds to the cost of the machine. GEE, thanks for
- telling me that, I had thought they were FREE!
-
- >: ATg have made a logical, low-cost BASE machine that is probably going to
- >: be in reach for a LOT more people than an 040-based or 060 based system
- >: would.
-
- >Perceived value of an 030/40 machine is very, very low. The computer
- >market is all about perceived value these days...
-
- Then I conclude that ATG should fold thier tents now, and Escom should
- concentrate on thier PC market. This is a dead market. "Perceived
- value" of ANY 68K-series machine is currently null. If you want to let
- the peecee market dictate to ATG how to design thier machines, you've
- already conceded the market to the peecee.
-
- Say it, Jason. Tell me that you think that the peecee is the machine to
- beat. Then tell me why you've stuck around with your Amiga for so long.
- This should be interesting.
-
- Perhaps this never occurred to you, but the Amiga hasn't played the
- peecee game for a VERY long time, it's NOT a peecee, it's designed
- differently. The PROBLEM is that no one seems to see this. It's a
- common lament of the Amiga owner that if it were only more apparent the
- actual ADVANTAGES of the machine, a lot more people would use it than
- currently do. CBM never managed to market it. No one, including
- (apparently) several Amiga owners, seems to know about the differences.
-
- >: Amiga owners: an EC030/40 Mhz is a LOT faster than what I'm using NOW,
- >: and throw in AGA graphics... well. Thumb your nose at us all you want,
- >: Jason, but remember that not everyone is using a 120 MHz 060
- >: dual-processor Amiga quite yet...
- >
- >It's faster than what I'm using now: A vintage 1990 Amiga 3000 with an
- >030/25 (with MMU and FPU, I might add.) That was high-end. Taking a
- >"computer generation" at a VERY conservative 2 years, you mean to tell me
- >that in 3 generations the Amiga will have a low end with processing power
- >improved by less than a factor of TWO from the high end of over half a
- >decade ago? Sorry, but you'll win no new friends doing that.
-
- So, I am to then conclude that you think R&D "just happens" and that
- computers "evolve" if they exist long enough? Point out to me, please,
- where in that two-year timeline there was actually anyone to do any R&D
- ON the Amiga hardware.
-
- Your "three generations" are nonexistant. The new Amiga prototype is a
- modification of AGA, nothing more. The _next_ generation is being worked
- on. It will not happen overnight.
-
- Don't make the mistake of mis-labeling the prototype Amiga as what ATG's
- going to stick with for the next 5 years. MOST people see it for what it
- is, a simple expansion of thier current product line. I'm sorry if that
- distinction is lost on you.
-
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